Discussion Room

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  1. An interesting year with at least 4 coaches working with both a guys and girls team. Have there always been coaches that have pulled a double duty or is this a new trend?
    Knapp: Theta 1st BKB 1st
    Kalbfell: Melanzana 6th Gray Goat 2nd
    Kirkham: Ski 5th Cutters 3rd
    Bishop: TPA 14th Jetblach:17th

  2. On an actual serious note, since most of this page is all crap. Michael Chettleburg who is a very strong cyclist for BKB, a top 10 ITTer and MnO finalists with a history of performing well in the events and has a strong racing background, was never once raced by BKB. I find this sad and upsetting to see such good riders like Michael and Luke Kalbfell who would have been studs on other teams and big factors, that never got the chance because of BKB’s political bullshit. Congrats that they won but their 4th rider is no where near as strong as Will or Michael, Will is going to be a junior and will only get one race, he should have been racing since sophomore year. I hope future riders pay attention to this because they had 2 guys in chelltleburg and Kalbfell that should have raced but never got the chance, I feel horrible for Chettleburg, a great kid and someone who never got the chance and put the work in. You can thank BKB for ruining that kid’s who Little 5 experience and shit on all his work, very unfortunate and very sad.

    • Actually, I didn’t ride because BKB and I couldn’t settle a disagreement about our respective preferences of baked goods.

    • By political bullshit I think you mean picking the best choice. Seemed to work out for BKB just fine the way it happened

      • Definitely worked well but imagine how many times they would have lapped the field if they had been eating muffins!

      • I never said it didn’t work out, I just wish he would’ve rode elsewhere since he was a strong rider and never got the chance to ride.

      • BKB has won twice, congrats to you guys!!!!! OMG you “won” by everyone crashing out and luckily staying up and then actually won for real this year. BKB is not a dynasty, not even close. Win 5 more times and then we can talk. Luke was the strongest rider on campus and you didn’t race him, you probably would’ve had bette chances if politics were not involved. But hey keep on sucking up good riders and never riding them, makes like easier for every other team.

      • Has BKB ever said they were a dynasty? If not, why do you need to argue that they aren’t one? Cutters was a dynasty, but with their first podium finish coming this year since 2011 it’s hard to argue that they are a dynasty anymore.

  3. What are these “politics” everyone keeps talking about? I’d love to learn those insider BKB secrets from people not on BKB!
    Also, if “Luke was the strongest rider on campus” why didn’t he win ITTs? Or MNO? Doing well at Wednesday worlds doesn’t make you make you the strongest rider

  4. Let the age old argument continue (this time for someone who is extremely irrelevant to L5), being good on the road does not correlate to being good on the track. I’d be curious to see how many top 10 ITTers have great road results

    • @Twelve the thing is Kalbfell is a beast on anything involving 2 wheels. top 10 ITTer sophomore year and single handedly destroyed a breakaway of 5 Marians in an 80 mile road race. I heard he once smashed a bakers dozen of blueberry muffins in under 2 minutes as well. House record.

  5. Last time I checked, BKB’s name is both engraved on the Borg Warner Trophy and listed in the Little 500 record book two times as champion. Spare me the sob story of wishing you hadn’t been boxed into an 8-up sprint because we all know YOU surely would have won if the crash didn’t happen. A win is a win; it doesn’t matter if it’s by a thousandth of a second, a lap, or circumstance, at the end of the day, BKB has won twice in four years.

    In the 12 years that BKB has existed, there have been exactly two guys that have quit the team. I don’t know what sort of Trump propaganda machine you are running, but I would say that’s a pretty good track record. Luke 100% had eligibility to ride in Little 500 this year for any team that he wanted to, but instead chose to rip off the BKB training plan and help “coach” the Gray Goats to a second place finish and race to mid-pack finishes in IUCC A’s races.

    With most of the guys that go through the BKB program, very few of them come in as rookie all stars. Instead, they come in with some athletic talent and BKB develops them into good riders over four years. Guys ride for BKB because they want to ride for a competitive team. The cost of riding for a competitive team is in some instances, the guys you are riding with are better than you, but at the end of the day, that’s what makes you better yourself.

    • First off Beta came in with young rookies and pulled in a 4th place win, second the Cutters who are competitive as well placed a solid 3rd this year with a sophomore rookie and a freshman rookie. I do not disagree with what you are saying about development but do not credit BKB’s training plan for goats success, as an alum myself I laugh at that, Goats had 3 seniors who have years of racing experience and are strong riders and you try to discredit them for supposedly using BKB’s training plan? Get a life.

      • @ThreeWiseMen I did not mean to discredit the Gray Goat boys. Grey Goat definitely worked their asses off and experience counts for a lot. But ask Lucas where he got the workouts he was writing for those guys this season. He doesn’t have an original or revolutionizing thought in his body no matter what board room he walks into.

        @Questions He was not a Cat 2 summer of last year. He very well could have raced in 2017. Upgrading was his choice.

    • Luke upgraded to cat 2 last summer and had not raced little 5 which made him have 0% eligibility to race this year otherwise word on the street was he was riding as a delt. He also got 2nd place to the collegiate national champ in a collegiate race this spring which is not too shabby.

      Jimmy Johns was smart enough to know the track sucked and taking the inside line early was the move as coming around late could be treacherous. Don’t know why people try to take 2014 away from bkb when they were the only team smart enough to understand that

      • Pumpkin Chip
        4 large eggs
        2 cups sugar
        1 can (15 ounces) solid-pack pumpkin
        1-1/2 cups canola oil
        3 cups all-purpose flour
        2 teaspoons baking soda
        1 teaspoon baking powder
        1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
        1 teaspoon salt
        2 cups (12 ounces) semisweet chocolate chips
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        Nutritional Facts
        1 each: 328 calories, 19g fat (4g saturated fat), 35mg cholesterol, 250mg sodium, 39g carbohydrate (25g sugars, 2g fiber), 4g protein.

        In a large bowl, beat the eggs, sugar, pumpkin and oil until smooth. Combine the flour, baking soda, baking powder, cinnamon and salt; gradually add to pumpkin mixture and mix well. Fold in chocolate chips. Fill greased or paper-lined muffin cups three-fourths full.
        Bake at 400° for 15-18 minutes or until a toothpick inserted near the center comes out clean. Cool in pan 10 minutes before removing to a wire rack. Yield: about 2 dozen.

      • Monkey Muffins
        1/2 cup butter, softened
        1 cup plus 1 tablespoon sugar, divided
        2 large eggs
        1 cup mashed ripe bananas
        2/3 cup peanut butter
        1 tablespoon milk
        1 teaspoon vanilla extract
        2 cups all-purpose flour
        1 teaspoon baking soda
        1/2 teaspoon salt
        3/4 cup miniature semisweet chocolate chips
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        Nutritional Facts
        2 each: 126 calories, 6g fat (3g saturated fat), 18mg cholesterol, 112mg sodium, 16g carbohydrate (9g sugars, 1g fiber), 3g protein. Diabetic Exchanges: 1 starch, 1 fat.

        In a large bowl, cream butter and 1 cup sugar until light and fluffy. Add eggs, one at a time, beating well after each addition. Beat in the bananas, peanut butter, milk and vanilla. Combine the flour, baking soda and salt; add to creamed mixture just until moistened. Fold in chips.
        Fill greased or paper-lined miniature muffin cups three-fourths full. Sprinkle with remaining sugar. Bake at 350° for 14-16 minutes or until a toothpick inserted near the center comes out clean. Cool for 5 minutes before removing from pans to wire racks. Serve warm. Yield: 6 dozen.

      • Maple-Good for pre-ride
        2 cups all-purpose flour
        1/2 cup packed brown sugar
        2 teaspoons baking powder
        1/2 teaspoon salt
        3/4 cup whole milk
        1/2 cup butter, melted
        1/2 cup maple syrup
        1/4 cup sour cream
        1 large egg
        1/2 teaspoon vanilla extract
        3 tablespoons all-purpose flour
        3 tablespoons sugar
        2 tablespoons chopped nuts
        1/2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
        2 tablespoons cold butter
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        Nutritional Facts
        1 each: 212 calories, 9g fat (5g saturated fat), 36mg cholesterol, 211mg sodium, 30g carbohydrate (16g sugars, 1g fiber), 3g protein.

        Preheat oven to 400°. In a large bowl, combine flour, brown sugar, baking powder and salt. In another bowl, combine milk, butter, syrup, sour cream, egg and vanilla. Stir into dry ingredients just until moistened.
        Fill greased or paper-lined muffin cups two-thirds full. For topping, combine flour, sugar, nuts and cinnamon; cut in butter until crumbly. Sprinkle over batter.
        Bake 16-20 minutes or until a toothpick inserted in center comes out clean. Cool 5 minutes before removing from pans to wire racks. Serve warm.
        Freeze option: Freeze cooled muffins in resealable plastic freezer bags. To use, thaw at room temperature or, if desired, microwave each muffin on high for 20-30 seconds or until heated through. Yield: 16 muffins.

      • Ingredients
        1/2 cup whole wheat pastry flour
        1/2 tsp baking soda
        pinch salt
        1 very ripe banana
        3 Tbsp brown sugar
        1 Tbsp vegan butter, melted (heaping Tbsp is best)
        1 small flax egg
        1/2 tsp vanilla extract
        4 Tbsp whole walnuts for topping

        Preheat oven to 375 degrees F and lightly butter two small ramekins with non-dairy butter. Prepare flax egg and set aside.
        In a large bowl, mash the banana, leaving some texture.
        Add brown sugar, baking soda, salt and whisk for one minute.
        Stir in flax egg, vanilla, melted butter and stir.
        Add flour and stir with a spoon or spatula until just combined.
        Divide batter evenly into the two ramekins – about 1/2 to 3/4 full – and generously top with walnuts.
        Bake for 25-30 minutes or until tops are golden brown and a toothpick or knife comes out clean. Let cool for a few minutes, remove from ramekins and serve warm. Additional butter isn’t necessary – these are very moist and quite perfect as is.


      • TOTAL TIME: Prep: 15 min. Bake: 20 min. MAKES: 24 servings
        4 eggs
        2 cups sugar
        1 cup vegetable oil
        1 teaspoon vanilla extract
        4 cups all-purpose flour
        1 teaspoon salt
        1 teaspoon baking soda
        2 teaspoons baking powder
        2 cups (16 ounces) sour cream
        2 cups fresh blueberries
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        Nutritional Facts
        1 each: 280 calories, 13g fat (4g saturated fat), 49mg cholesterol, 205mg sodium, 35g carbohydrate (18g sugars, 1g fiber), 4g protein.

        In a bowl, beat eggs. Gradually add sugar. While beating, slowly pour in oil; add vanilla. Combine dry ingredients; add alternately with the sour cream to the egg mixture. Gently fold in blueberries. Spoon into greased muffin tins. Bake at 400° for 20 minutes. Yield: 24 muffins.

  6. Cinnamon Muffins
    1 1⁄2 cups flour
    1⁄2 cup sugar
    2 teaspoons baking powder
    1⁄2 teaspoon salt
    1⁄2 teaspoon ground nutmeg
    1⁄2 teaspoon ground allspice
    1 egg, beaten
    1⁄2 cup milk
    1⁄3 cup butter, melted

    2 tablespoons sugar
    1⁄2 teaspoon ground cinnamon
    1⁄4 cup butter, melted

    Mix flour, sugar, baking powder, salt, nutmeg and allspice.
    Add egg, milk and butter.
    Stir into dry ingredients until moistened.
    Spoon into greased or paper-lined muffin cups.
    Bake at 400 degrees for 20 minutes or until done.
    For topping combine sugar and cinnamon.
    Brush top of warm muffin in butter and dip top of muffin into sugar/cinnamon mixture.

    Best eaten fresh out da oven with a cup of joe

    • Have that cup of joe IN your muffin
      2 1/4 cup all purpose flour
      3/4 cup sugar
      1 tablespoon baking powder
      1/2 teaspoon cinnamon
      1/2 teaspoon salt
      2 large eggs
      1 cup milk
      1/2 cup butter, melted
      2 tablespoons instant coffee granules
      1 teaspoon vanilla extract
      Preheat your oven to 400° F.
      In a large bowl sift together the flour, sugar, baking powder, cinnamon, and salt; set aside.
      In a medium bowl combine milk and instant coffee. Mix until the coffee is dissolved.
      Mix in the eggs, melted butter, and vanilla.
      Add the liquid ingredients to the large bowl of dry ingredients. Mix until all the flour is moistened. You don’t want to over mix. Lumps are okay.
      Fill greased or lined muffin cups 2/3 of the way full.
      Bake for 20-25 minutes or until a toothpick inserted into the center comes out clean.

  7. People like to think their training plans are breakthrough material, but it’s all the same. All relevant Little 5 teams pretty much do the same thing with very little variability. BKB never had a training plan better than others’, what BKB has is people that work hard and are dedicated.

    • I think more teams than just BKB have riders who work hard. No doubt BKB have an incredibly deep team, and credit to them for getting and keeping those riders. Do you think that independent teams have an easier time recruiting riders, as they can recruit from a pool of thousands compared to the greeks, who can only recruit from their house, not that they might not find a rider and invite them to join?

    • I agree. The best training plan is base riding the crap out of any bike in the fall, and building hard on the L5 bike once you have the base. IMHO it really comes down to who put in the saddle time, who did good interval training in the spring, and who has the most grit to win the race. The best way to get better at anything is by doing that thing…this probably sounds too pragmatic but I think it’s true and anybody wanting to race in the Little 500 shouldn’t be discouraged due to lack of a brilliant training.

  8. @Bye Felicia Dont change the subject!
    Sweet Potato Muffins
    For the oat based version
    2 cups gluten free oat flour (gluten free oats ground into a flour)
    1/2 cup granulated sweetener of choice
    1 T baking powder
    1 tsp cinnamon
    pinch sea salt
    1 cup mashed sweet potato
    2 T shredded carrots (optional)
    1 cup dairy free milk
    1 flax egg (can sub for 1 large egg if not vegan)
    1 tsp vanilla extract
    6 T smooth cashew butter (can sub for any smooth nut or seed butter of choice)
    Frosting (optional)
    Protein frosting
    Coconut frosting
    Preheat the oven to 350 degrees and line 10-12 muffin tins with patty pans and set aside.
    In a high speed blender, combine all your ingredients and blend until a fine batter is formed. If your nut butter is not smooth enough, you may want to melt it slightly beforehand.
    Divide the batter amongst the muffin tin and bake as follows- For the grain free option, you’d need 20-25 minutes (depending on your oven brand). For the oat based version, you’ll be looking at 25-30 minutes. Ensure you check by inserting a skewer and once clean, they are done.
    Remove from oven and allow to cool in muffin tin for 10 minutes, before transferring to a wire rack to cool completely. Once cooled, top with frosting of choice.

    • Phi Psi’s budget was about 30k but it all went to pay for the boose which is reflected by our performance on race day

      • Yeah then the cops showed up and caught Jeremy Crawford peeing on his friend for enjoyment and the night was ruined from there homie.

    • I’ve heard SAE revamped their bike program/training room/equipment with 40K last year, but I don’t know that for a fact and it’s probably not the normal yearly budget even if it were true. Cycling is expensive. I’d say $3000-$10000 are normal for any given fraternity, mine is near the latter of that spectrum. I’m not sure about independent teams. The budget covers L5 bike wheel builds, repairs, rollers, fronting the cost of ordering team kits, winter break or spring break training trip expenses, and more.

      Any team can attempt to gain sponsorship. Restaurants, bike shops, and businesses of alumni or family are good places to start for sponsorship. Fundraising events are also an option too.

      • Its obvious that SAE spends that much a year on ice cream, doughnuts, pizzas, protein powders, creatine and aminos. Mostly big but somewhat buff.

    • *Guy on airplane next to Rachel from an episode I don’t remember the name of*

      “By the way, it seems to be perfectly clear that you were on a break”.

    • Anybody in Indy has a chance for a great race season. 12 crits, 2 road races, and many events and practices at the Major Taylor Velodrome (Indianapolis). Nebo Ridge bike shop in Carmel has fast, race pace rides every Tuesday and Thursday as well.

  9. In a shocking development, the third Krahulik brother forgoes his eligibility to ride for an independent team for a semester and eventually quit so he can join SAE. Reporters on the ground are “baffled that he would give up such a privilege.”

  10. What’s the point of having a fall series if BKB is the only team that ever wins/ tries? Take away the quals time pick and let it actually be a random process in the spring. Fall and summer is for road racing anyway

    • If you saw the events in person it’s pretty clear other people tried, Langley won street sprints, Figg got 3rd in ITTs, and gray goat won the first lap of cyclocross

      • Most teams didn’t even have 1/2 of their members show up. Plus, if everybody is base training what would be the motivation to throw it out the window for 3 weeks to do the different Fall series events?

  11. Yeah I heard BKB peaks every year for fall series. I mean come on. No way Martinez could throw that fast of an ITT down if he wasn’t gearing up for it. Ridiculous.

    • Mens Race – Overal Team:
      1-BKB 2-Cutters 3-Sig Ep 4-SAE 5-Beta 6-Bears

      Mens Race – Individuals:
      1-Krahulik 2-Martinez 3-Figg 4-Guyon 5-Mangle

  12. Men’s Race
    1. CUTTERS
    2. BKB
    3. SAE

    1. Martinez
    2. Guyon
    3. Krahulik

    Women’s Race
    1. Melanzana
    2. Theta
    3. TPA

    1. Hannon
    2. Brown
    3. Kamplain

    • Everybody is sleeping on Sig Chi. They’re much better all around than SAE.

      I think Top 5 ITTs in no specific order will look like Martinez, Krahulik, Hicks, Mangel, and Guyon/Holtkamp.

  13. Sig Chi may be marginally deeper than SAE but in the end, this is going to come down to one thing: Star power. Krahulik is stronger than any EX by a significant margin. Add in Ryan Tuffnell coming back from a great summer of training on the road and velodrome and the youngest Krahulik and they can keep Joe fresh and rested for the final lap sprint.

    Nobody getting away this way. BKB, you laid all of your cards on the table last spring. Flying under the radar and breaking away with 40 to go will not happen again. And this time, your lack of a true sprinter will be exposed in the group sprint.

    • Not sure you can say BKB “flew under the radar.” 1st place ITTs, 1st place TP. Best rider and deepest team. They blew the doors off everyone.

      Sig chi may have the upper hand over SAE. Birdies are saying they’re out for blood.

    • Tuffnell is still just an above average fitness level at this point.

      Sig Chi cleaned up on the only Worlds they showed up to. Between Fiore, Holtkamp, and Serf they could be pretty dangerous. Not saying SAE is bad, but Sig Chi might be better.

      Holtkamp arguably is the most athletic rider in the race, and that rivals Krahulik’s star power.

      Either way, this year’s race will be ultra competitive and entertaining.

      • Well, it’s a good thing Little 500 is raced at Worlds! /s

        World’s performances don’t mean anything. Especially if Cutters, BKB, or GG and Ryan Knapp aren’t showing up. Holtkamp is not as strong as Joe. Joe was a IN crit state champion and was competing all summer at the velodrome. Being “the most athletic rider in the race” doesn’t mean shit to an ITT champion and the strongest rider in the field, with the possible exception of Xavier.

      • Athleticism has a lot to do with L5, that’s why Joe was great his first year.

        Everybody was at this worlds besides Knapp. Both the EX guys finished in front of Martinez. They’re a top 4 contender this year, you’ll be saying it in April if you’re not saying it now. They’ve got talent and fitness. If they bite your team in the rear, don’t say nobody warned you they were dangerous.

      • Sig Chi showed up to damn near every Worlds in the fall and did mediocre. Plus it’s the fall…long time until April

  14. Tito’s
    Dude, quit telling people about our super secret 2018 race plan to train super extra hard before the 2018 race.
    Do you think we ought to sandbag MNO again in 2018? Placing zero riders in the Semis was a clever way to lower expectations prior to finishing a lap down.

    • Do you still read last week’s newspaper too?

      I’ve never seen so many crybabies because someone said a team is going to surprise everybody this year…

      • always knew sig chi was soft, but never knew it was this bad. looks like everyone’s already in their head and it’s not even April yet.

      • I responded to a post saying Sig Chi was better all around than SAE, and everybody loses their minds.

        Haha doesn’t that make you the real snowflake? I didn’t know opinions scared you guys so much, you should’ve just said so in the first place!


    1. Theta- Returning 2 from their championship team last year, including Rachel Brown. Who looked incredible during TNRS. Going to have to race 2 rookies, but Knapp has shown he can win with multiple rookies on race day teams.
    2. TPA- Courtney Bishop is a Little 500 wizard. Him and Knapp are on a different tier when it comes to creating a race day strategy and executing it. Caitlin Kamplain looks like the 3rd best woman in the field so far and we know CB will find a way to keep her fresh.
    3. Melanzana- Brooke is Brooke. Team that already had a great season last year added last year’s ITT champ? Yep. They’re a podium team for sure.

    1. BKB- Returning 3/4, including last year’s ITT champion, last year’s 4th place ITTer, and a rider who raced for Upland all summer, and one of the 2 best coaches in the game. I think they are the clear favorites
    2. Cutters- Also returning 3/4 returning riders. I think Cutters advantage is going to come from having the best pure sprinter in the race in Noble Guyon. My personal prediction is that he wins ITTs this year and if this race comes down to a sprint, Cutters have it in the bag.
    3. Bears- Hungriest team in the race right now. Looked very strong at fall series, and have a desire to prove themselves. Figg is one of the strongest riders in the field and could see him winning the group sprint at the end if necessary.

  16. You’re smokin crack if u think TPA will finish on the podium from 15th last year? Just stupid, add Ski, AoPi, Teter, or anyone really. Be real.

  17. lmfao at althese bottom tier riders nobody has ever heard of coming on here being like “watch out for me!” Cmon man. Let’s talk about the riders who’re actually going to be good

  18. People sure like to talk shit on here. Anyone have an idea of which teams have some up and coming first time racers? As some people discussed, the 4th rider and make or break a team, but a exceptional 4th rider is a huge asset to a team. Is there anyone worth watching out for come Spring Series?

  19. So truth to Jetblack / delts gone for good, or at least this year? Bishop focusing on womens race, bailing after a down year #weaksauce

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