Discussion Room

We’ve noticed everyone has taken a liking to talking about the race. So we’re giving you a place to do that, and just that.

Feel free to use this area to discuss anything and everything about the Little 500 — Qualifications, Spring Series, the race itself.

Please, no character attacks. Trash-talking is great, but slandering people isn’t. Let’s keep it clean. Or your post will be deleted.



2,077 thoughts on “Discussion Room

  1. 2020 Little 500 official predictions:

    Beep boop beep boop
    Kirkham streaks the infield of the track
    Beep boop beep boop
    Courtney Bishop takes a poop in turn 2
    Beep boop beep boop
    Jake Richards throws his bike at Gavin Goode
    Beep boop beep boop
    CSF drink their own pee in hopes they recover faster
    Beep boop beep boop
    Rob Oehler races at altitude
    Beep boop beep boop
    Albert and Andrew reveal they were made in a lab
    Beep boop beep boop
    Andrea slashes all the tires in one last attempt to derail the race
    Beep boop beep boop

    • Not even close. Phi Psi had it in the bag last year, and they had that last lap in them this year. No team of 4 could battle it off the front with them.

  2. I feel for Albert LaValle the most. Phi psi was easily the strongest team this year top to bottom. Last years finish is just going to marinate in his head even longer now.

  3. Imagine being Albert Labonk – you choke on the last lap of the race in 2019 and never have the chance to redeem yourself. Albert Labonk is forever a choker.

    • You probably typed this in a grease-stained shirt with Dorito fingers…if you had balls you’d say it to his face but we know they shriveled up as you read this.

      • @dorito
        if you had balls you’d write that under the name Albert or whichever Phi Psi rider you are. Can’t call someone out for being anonymous while being anonymous.

      • It sounds like Albert has beach-front real estate in your brain…..don’t choke on a Dorito! If you know I’m a Phi Psi rider, why don’t you come over to discuss it? You know where they live, quit being #TeamSackless

  4. You realize Albert has plenty of friends outside of his team because he was actually involved with the little 5 community? Unlike you and your dorito fingers people actually like the dude.

  5. I’m not the above guy^ … just here to say I am now a dorito eater, as well, now that I don’t need to be watching my diet.

    So I’d appreciate it if we could avoid slandering dorito eaters for a hot second while I sulk and let myself get fat

  6. We can only hpoe.

    Anyone but Andrea Balzano
    Little 500 Race Director
    Indiana University Student Foundation

  7. What men’s teams are going to be relevant next year? Cutters and Phi Psi lost their chance. Are BKB Gray goat and Jetblach the three best out their now?

  8. Yeah, There are going to be quite a lot of rookies out there next year. Most freshman don\’t ride the race on good teams so unless you were a sophomore last year, almost everyone will be rookies.

    Bears have a lot of bike racing experience and athletic ability. You can win the race as a rookie you know! Eric Young ring a bell? There are a few others too.

    One year of Little 5 race experience, or 2 max with a year off is not as big as an advantage as you think.

  9. Question of the day: How many times has Jordan Bailey attempted and lost the little 500?

    Answer: Jordan Bailey has never won the Little 500, he is 0-4.

  10. So, who will wear the yellow jersey next year? Will we ride the 2020 bikes to commemorate? Is the steering committee going to be even more incompetent than before?!

  11. Tom McGlasson Award
    Rationale for Nomination (#5)
    “FURTHERING THE DREAMS of Herman B Wells, Howdy Wilcox, Bill Armstrong,
    and Curtis R. Simic” (Be specific)

    How would we know these dreams? Who are the past winners of this award since 2013 (other than Jim Kirkham last year) for some needed context.

    Is there a point to this? In the end it is a popularity contest that gives AB something to do. RC/SC might as well nominate each other. An informed decision by the rider community is basically impossible. Face it, in the end she will just pick who she likes. Which is what she always does.


    • It’s actually a prestigious award and steering committee (historically, not sure if they’re relived of their duties now) sifts through the applications.

      • The fact that it IS prestigious is why it should wait until next year. You want as many people possible to have a say and make informed decisions and you want SC to do the same. 46% of the fall events were cancelled and all of the spring ones. This skews the process away from those new to the event and towards the insiders. You want everyone to feel they are involved in the process in a relevant way, it is not just a box to be checked. Hall of Fame is the most prestigious award and the last induction was in 2013, so this is not something new.

    • I’m out of the loop, so not sure what the drama about this is, but for context, the award goes to someone who “embodies the spirit of the Little 500.” The nomination form is quite long, so the nominee has to be worth the time and effort put in to fill out. I believe SC and the IUSF directors sift through the nominations. Usually, the award goes to someone who has spent years within the community or donated money towards IUSF, among other things. I can’t remember all of last year’s winners, but they included Kirkham, SC President Addison Housand, and RC member Hank Duncan.

  12. 1. Gray Goat- The most experienced team come 2021. Tisdale is a safe bet for top returning rider. With their depth and speed they can dictate the race.

    2. BKB- Buck is that quick. Plus, they will bring up two top tier rookies from 2020. The loss of Zach hurts but BKB always find a way to cycle in quality riders.

    3. Jetblach- I can’t tell you for sure what happens when you arm Courtney with a Krahulik but I have a few guesses.

    4. Phi Psi- Albert lost his last chance but the culture he built lives on. Andrew knows what it takes to contend. Is his top end stopping him from standing on top of the box?

    5. CUTTERS- The back-to-back champs lose their arsenal (including the nuclear warhead that is Noble Guyon). Toran will be ready to lead the team, Evans is a sneaky pickup, Kirkham is Kirkham.

    Idk bout the rest. Help me out y’all

  13. Strobel > Tisdale
    This is not an opinion, this is a fact.

    Jetblach… accurate . Would add that Goode is a huge addition to the squad.

    Andrew will be a good leader. Confidence is quiet.

    Cutters has weapons, but needs a solid sprinter if they want to accomplish their most proven strategy.

  14. Kendall Harnett, is a filmmaker, film instructor, Little 500 champion (1989 – Cinzano) and creator of the 4 hour Little 500 documentary “Free Wheels” The complete film is available and little500.net

    Kendall is posting 15-25 minute videos of previous Little 500 races starting with 1951, posting 3-5 videos a week. They consist of archive film, interviews and photographs.
    You can view them at: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCVuYWIgqRlbnQIeHzcBPYTQ

  15. Someone needs to to CVS to go get Patrick McKay some tampons. Let’s start a GoFundMe to help this poor disgruntled rider, I mean cmon guys he rides for Forest, it doesn’t get much worse than that.

  16. Blueberry Muffin recipe
    Nonstick vegetable oil spray
    1½ cups all-purpose flour
    1 cup whole wheat flour
    1 cup granulated sugar
    2½ teaspoons baking powder
    2 teaspoons kosher salt
    ½ teaspoon freshly grated nutmeg
    2 cups fresh blueberries, divided
    2 large eggs plus 2 large egg yolks, beaten to blend
    1½ cups plain whole-milk yogurt
    ½ cup (1 stick) unsalted butter, melted
    1 teaspoon finely grated lemon zest
    2 teaspoons fresh lemon juice
    2 teaspoons vanilla extract
    2 tablespoons raw sugar

    Preheat oven to 425°. Lightly coat cups of a standard 12-cup muffin pan with nonstick spray. Whisk all-purpose flour, whole wheat flour, granulated sugar, baking powder, salt, and nutmeg in a large bowl to combine. Add 1½ cups blueberries and gently stir until evenly distributed.
    Whisk eggs, yogurt, butter, lemon zest, lemon juice, and vanilla in a medium bowl until combined and creamy, about 30 seconds. Gently fold egg mixture into dry ingredients just to combine (be careful not to overmix).
    Divide batter evenly among muffin cups. Top with remaining ½ cup blueberries, gently pressing to adhere (you should have 4–5 berries per muffin). Sprinkle with raw sugar.
    Bake muffins, rotating pan halfway through, until a tester inserted into the center comes out clean, 25–30 minutes. Transfer pan to a wire rack and let muffins cool in pan 5 minutes. Turn out onto rack and let cool completely.

  17. “Effort is admirable, but Achievement is commendable”

    When we all look back at the 2020 Little 5 season, there was Effort (on the part of some — mostly the riders), but none of us were afforded the chance at all to Achieve. That is a simple point that anyone can agree on, for whatever reason(s).

    This may be an uncomfortable truth for some, but Patrick McKay is right. Truth is not something easy to digest, but life is not all roses and perfect track conditions.

    Coronavirus may have been the straw that broke the camel’s back… but a string of poor decision making coupled with a global pandemic contributed to a situation where no one was able to Achieve any result whatsoever on the track, whether that be Miss ‘n’ Out, ITTs, Team Pursuit, Quals or even the Race itself — both in the Spring and the Fall.

    Those who detract from his statement that “as riders, we have grown accustomed to let downs this entire year” are patently ludicrous and wrapped up in a drama that is bigger than them, and encompasses all of us as riders.

    Like McKay stated, the Summer of 2019 caused the track’s surface overall state to be worsened significantly. Furthermore, there was no clear or visible effort to fix a surface that has fallen into great disrepair. “Those in charge” had months to right the normal amount of abuse that the track takes over the course of a normal season, plus additional damage that it endured from poor construction management.

    Anyone who showed up to track practice this season with a pair of strong eyes and decently competent mental faculties would clearly be able to see such above mentioned issues.

    Instead, his detractors have resorted to ad hominem attacks on his character rather than praising him for having the courage to speak up about something that we all have been grumbling about for months. The proof is in the pudding, just scroll up on 33to1. He should be celebrated for sticking it to the establishment rather than denigrated for telling the truth.

    The facts are simple: IU has a $2.5 billion endowment, with an athletic budget of $123 million (none of which is earmarked for Little 500) — but the point still stands that the university we attend has the financial and organizational capacity to fix the catalyst and final gathering point of the “World’s Greatest College Weekend”. The word on the street is that the track will be resurfaced in the coming future; hopefully, steps are being taken to rectify these deep and great wrongs towards the community and IU as a whole.

    Aristotle once said: “A society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.”

    Perhaps we can twist his meaning around slightly: “A cycling community grows great when its members and supporters contribute to a common passion, even if it is time for them to hang up their bike”. McKay took that first step.

    The ball is in our court as riders, and the rest of us can contribute as well so that we can enjoy a Little 500 in 2021, 2022, and our children can enjoy a Little 500, 20, or even 30 years from now. In the future, McKay will be thanked for waking up those outside of our community to the truth, so that all generations of IU riders, students, their families, and friends may enjoy something that we love and enjoy.

    If you still happen to be angry at him after reading this, do yourself a favor a go outside and ride your bike. Be thankful that we are able to share a sport that allows us to go outside and stay physically and mentally fit during a time of great struggle for all of us. Perhaps being amongst the trees and grass, the symbiosis between rubber and road, and the sound of componentry clicking and hubs whirring will wake you up to why he stuck his neck out for all of us: Love for the sport.

    It’s safe to say that we all love the Little 500, and some of us have different ways of expressing that devotion. McKay did it his way — what will yours be?

    • My way is the delicious way…

      Gooey Butter Muffins (makes 24)

      Cake Layer:
      1 18.25 oz package yellow cake mix
      1 egg
      ½ cup butter, melted
      1-8 oz package cream cheese, softened
      2 eggs
      1 teaspoon vanilla (I use Mexican vanilla for a more robust flavor)
      ½ cup butter, melted
      2 cups powdered sugar

      Preheat oven to 350. Combine cake mix, egg and butter, and mix well with an electric mixer. Using a tablespoon scoop or spoon, place one tablespoon of mixture in the bottom of muffin tins lined with muffins wrappers. Press the mixture down slightly to cover the bottom of the wrapper.

      In a separate bowl, beat cream cheese, eggs, vanilla and butter together until smooth and fluffy. Add powdered sugar and mix well. Spoon approximately 2 tablespoons mixture over the cake layer in each wrapper.

      Bake approximately 30-40 minutes or until cakes are puffed and golden brown. The centers will remain slightly gooey. Remove from oven and allow the cupcakes to cool thoroughly on cooling rack (unless you’re like me – then one will always make to a plate long before it’s cool). Serve and smile!

    • Damn that was a long story,
      Anyways on to the good stuff. Name your 4 person little 5 dream team. Mine are the following…
      1. Jim Kirkham aka Kinky kirky
      2. Abel Duran aka Abel the ass bandit
      3. Caleb Langley aka the Coppens chain whip leather suit punisher
      4. Brüük Haynóón aka Brooke Hannons German/Austrian male juiceape alter ego

  18. “…and in the end, the IUSF Directors dropped any pretense of accountability, for, having successfully usurped the Little 500 from the students, it was no longer necessary and in fact was seen as weakness.”

    @Covid20 – Well Put!

    Those on this board know from experience that Patrick’s comments are just a small sliver of the
    problems caused by the 3 IUSF Directors since Andrea’s arrival 4 years ago. And none of us will be shocked when Andrea removes him from RC, demands his jacket back and bans him from Little 500 for life. She’s probably inventing the “implied” rule that will penalize Forest Cycling right now. And when this happens, we will all be treated to another chorus of “No Comment”.

    I cannot think of a time when Andrea has been held accountable for actions she has taken. The most egregious coming in the fall of 2018, when she decided to have mandatory rookie races at the track. She sat in the press box observing 19 accidents and 5 ambulance calls. The senior EMT that night said it was the worst thing she had ever seen. There is no better example of Andrea’s complete disregard for the riders and their safety. Her contempt for the riders is manifest in every action she takes. She cares nothing for the race and its future. She only cares about 2 things, Andrea, and perceived threats to Andrea, nothing else. She is the PERFECT person to destroy a 69-year tradition.

    We can take this time to lament the 2020 race, or we can use this time to consider what the race can look like in the future. Most participants believe a future devoid of Andrea and her fellow Directors is the brightest light on the horizon. The question, however, remains, will we view Patrick’s comments as the first salvo in a struggle to save the event we all love, or dismiss him as a malcontent and start counting berries in muffins.

    • This isn’t quantum physics, removing AB and replacing with a competent RD will restore the stability the race used to have. I’d love to know which jackass interviewed AB and completely ignored the fact that she never rode in a race?

      • She rode in 2012 and 2014 (110th and 94th in ITT’s)
        Tara, Bailey, and John Wilhite (IUF) and probably others

    • I predict that the men’s and women’s race will unify and teams will have to state their points of privilege before the race. These points of privilege will result in race penalties. If the team includes 4 white males then it is only fair for them to incur a 1-minute “privilege” penalty.

  19. Remember when Jordan Bailey won Little 5? Wait, he has zero rings. *enter a bunch of angry BKBs* “JB was the best race director ever!!!”

  20. Sooo… Who are the real threats in the men’s and women’s races next year? Individually, not team-wise. It’s been awful quiet so you guys gotta have thoughts.

    • Men

      1. Logan Tisdale – best overall rider and has had very strong performances in 2018 and 2019. Looked to have an elite 2020 as it seemed like he worked on his time trialing ability. He has what it takes to win in any fashion he chooses
      2. Buck – easily the field’s top sprinter with Noble graduating and could have won ITTs this year. Knapp will get BKB ready to set Strobel up for a sprint finish
      3. Krahulik – with motivated riders and an intense training regiment, Rob could finally show people that he’s just as strong as his older brothers
      4. LaValle – he and Albert looked very fast on the track this year and would have been successful in the break this year if they got away. Still very unsure about his top-end….
      5. Jazz Briggs – hands down the strongest rookie and would have put his mark on the race this year. With another year of training and some racing experience, he’ll be in the mix as a top rider.

      Women’s field is a toss up since 2019 was so upperclassmen heavy and there was no solid read on any of the 2020 riders.

      1. Kaethe Schroeder – started the break in 2019, has proven experience on the track and won street sprints this year.
      2. Evie Peterson – biggest engine out of any of the women, and would have been Top 5 ITTer this year.
      3. Jessica Hamilton – Top 15 ITT in 2019 and was 2nd in Street Sprints to Schroeder.
      4. Corrine Miller – Strong support for Lauren Britt’s sprint finish in 2019 and looked to have a massive bump in fitness for her sophomore year. Should be one of the top riders with Becker in her pit.
      5. Rachel Kalbfell – Top 5 ITTer in 2019 but has no race experience. Still, Kirkham knows what he’s doing and will get her ready for 2021.

      • The only KOMs that matter are Geed Mountain, 3rd Steet, Bean Blossom, the Senior Lap, and AB’s happy trail. Discuss amongst yourselves.

  21. IU will require classes to be online between Nov. 30 and Feb. 7 due to the coronavirus, according to an email from President Michael McRobbie and a 2020-21 academic calendar released on the university website.

    The website says students will not return to campus for the fall semester after Thanksgiving break. Spring semester starts Jan. 19, but in-person classes don’t begin until Feb. 8.

    Fall and spring classes can run either eight, 13 or 16 weeks under the new schedule.

    IU is also adding a new winter session from Nov. 30 to Feb. 7.

  22. Might be fun to have a mock prediction of how teams and riders would have performed well in the 2020 men’s and women’s races. So here we go!

    – Which teams win the race?
    – Who gets Top 5 ITT?
    – What moves did you expect to happen from men’s and women’s teams?
    – Which riders would win Riders Week?
    – All-Star and ROY awards?

    • Best: Forest (lol jk)

      The classiest kit designs are Ep, Phi Delt, BKB, and Cutters with an honorable mention for Bears. It’s a bit sad that only 5 kits are pleasing to the eye.


      Let’s be honest, there’s a lot of bad kits (what’s up gray goat), but Jet Blach tops them all. Their kit is basically a combination of strawberry and chocolate cow spots with some random blue and yellow thrown in there. They would have been better off letting their team name inspire some minimalist black kits with retro or modern graphics, but they really missed the mark.

    • Forced hibernation? Perhaps. Expiration? No, at least not yet. Little 5 essentially has Covid 19. It will likely recover but we do not know what lingering symptoms, if any, will result.

  23. Looking to purchase a 2020 Little 500 bicycle, preferably the shorter size. Willing to pay a reasonable price. Needed for a presentation to a West Coast production company.


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